Can I set separate heating and cooling temperatures?

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    John Bartlet

    Thanks for this feature request! This is something under consideration. We will let our users know when we have more information! 

    Cheers,

    John

    Flair Customer Support

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    Chris McIntyre

    I too would like to see this feature. What I did to work around it was to create a separate schedule for heating and cooling. Then you just have to switch back and forth as needed. After doing that for a while, I took the next step of setting up a script that uses the flair API and automatically switches the schedule, depending on whether the system is in heat or cool mode. I also put in a feature request to be able to attach a schedule to heat and cool mode, if you want.

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    Jerome Morignot

    Same thing here. I'm in Colorado as well, and at the end of Summer it's very typical to have to heat at night and cool during the afternoon....outside temperatures range from 50s to 80s for typical day from August to October.

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    Flair Customer Support

    Hey All,

    Flair does allow you to set a temperature range - indirectly.

    When you set Mode to "Auto Heat/Cool", Flair creates implicit heating and cooling set points that are essentially 3F above and below the set point. You can read more about it here:

    https://support.flair.co/hc/en-us/articles/360049600871-Mode-Switching-Explained

    All the best,

    Finn

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    Chris McIntyre

    And just to confirm the “home temperatures” used to decide when to switch are the temperatures from the vents?

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    Flair Customer Support

    HI Chris,

    For systems using an integrated smart thermostat or systems with mini spits, the home set point is compared to the average home temperature.

    For systems using a non-integrated thermostat, Flair will read duct temperature to determine if a system is heating or cooling (ducts will blow super hot air when the heat is on and super cold air when the AC is on). You can write in to Support to ask how you can achieve the heating and cooling set points you desire for this type of system.

    All the best,

    Finn

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    Ivoryjohn13

    This plain doesn't work for my home.  I live in the Denver area where the temperature can swing wildly from night to day, but the real problem is that daily there is a huge difference between the third floor and the basement.  The average home temperature your software uses fails to satisfactorily set the temperature on any floor.

    Most often, my upper floor is HOT and requires cooling, but the basement is cool enough to keep the average low and comfy.  I need something that knows when one zone needs attention, NOT something that decides the house as a whole is OKAY.

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    Flair Customer Support

    Hi Ivoryjohn13,

    The first thing I’d recommend is use of scheduling to set rooms to inactive that aren’t in use. Flair won’t average inactive rooms, so you can eliminate the spread.

    Most commonly, users will set bedrooms to inactive during the day and non-bedrooms to inactive during sleeping hours. You can tweak it a bit depending on how you use your home.

    All the best,
    Finn

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    Ivoryjohn13

    Thanks for the suggestion, but the inlaw apartment in the basement is always occupied, and my office is in the upper floor.  I can't set either to inactive.  Can you modify your software to NOT AVERAGE the home?  What if I set each as a different home, can you arbitrate which home needs either cooling or heating and inform the ecobee?  The vents will handle each room when they need or don't need HVAC.  The whole problem is setting the ecobee to heat or cool.  The ecobee is in the middle floor and so far I have it alternating between a warmer temp and cooler temp which is not a very good solution.  If you could give me a setting to ignore the average temp and set the ecobee based on which room is furthest from its desired temp, my home would be comfortable.

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    Flair Customer Support

    Hi Ivoryjohn13,

    I’m going to turn your post into a Support Request. I believe there’s a back end setting that will do what you’re requesting - not average.

    All the best,
    Finn

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    Matt

    Ivoryjohn13 did you give the Flair system full control of managing the temperature or does Flair only control the vents and the Ecobee manages the heat/cool source?

    Depending on which way you have it setup, integrated or independent you have different options available to you.  Likewise, if you have Ecobee sensors in the mix too, that changes the available options.

     

    Your specific scenario sounds like sometimes you need the heat on because the basement is too cold, but don't want to overheat the office.  Sometimes you need the cooling on because the office it to hot, but don't want to over cool the basement.

    I can think of a way to do that, mostly, using Flair and Ecobee independently, with Flair pucks and vents in basement and office, and Ecobeen sensors in basement and office too.  Configured with no integration between Flair and Ecobee.

    It's only mostly, because you'll still need to decide which room at a given time, the office or the basement is driving the heat/cool decision with the other room providing a limiting function to not be over driven.

    Essentially, a schedule where at night you drive the decision off the basement and during the day you drive the decision off the office.  With the opposite room limiting how far it allows a temp change.  At night, the basement would dictate heat/cool/nothing while the office simply limits it's temp so it's not over heated, since the office is always hotter anyway.  During the day, the office would dictate the heat/cool/nothing while the basement simply limits it's temp so it's not over cool.

    Not integrating the two systems gives more options, as the decisions about limiting a room temp and turning the heat/cool on/off are divorced from each other.

    If that's what it looks like, I can explain the details if you want.

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    Ivoryjohn13

    I tried integrating them, but that didn't work at all.  Currently they are independent.  I have an ecobee schedule that works well in the summer by dropping the temp four times a day for half an hour.  I removed the flair vents from the ecobee room and use them in basement and office.  I've also looked at writing my own program to control the ecobee, but I'm not an api guy and haven't gotten far with that effort.  Your idea about different ecobee schedules night and day is intriguing, but I haven't found a way for it to have multiple schedules.  I was considering different summer/winter/fall schedules.

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    Matt

    This is how I would set up your scenario.

    No integration between Flair and Ecobee.

    Ecobee remote sensors for the basement and office.

    Ecobee comfort setting scheduled for night that only includes a sensor in basement.  This will allow basement to drive heating on.

    Ecobee comfort setting scheduled for day that only includes sensor in the office. This will allow office to drive cooling on. 

    Flair puck and vents in basement, set to a temp a degree above Ecobee heat value at night.  Set to comfortable cool temp during day.

    Flair puck and vents in the office. Set to a temp a degree below Ecobee cool during day.  Set to comfortable warm at night. 

    Experimenting with exact temps as the sensors may not match exact.

     

    Including all the Ecobee sensors would have the same averaging issue. This way, the room that is the under driven is the one controlling turning on the source.  The Fliar vents provide a limiting function to prevent the opposite room from being overdriven. Configured to not limit the controlling room before the Ecobee would turn off anyway.

    Because they’re not integrated, one room can be a sensor while vents are active limiters in both.

    I think you’ll end up with both in auto heat cool mode.  Probably need a slightly different configuration when it’s all cool or heat. 

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